Tuesday, December 22, 2009

unpaid internships are illegal (bk)

Date: 2009-12-22, 8:17PM EST
Reply to: gigs-2sf8a-1521909292@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

I will personally flag any and all companies seeking unpaid interns. According to the 1947 Supreme Court case of Cohen and Wolf, if a student does any work that benefits an employer (i.e. delivering mail, organizing files, making appointments, writing reports, NORMAL INTERNSHIP ACTIVITIES) they must be paid at least minimum wage or the employer is in violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act.



This act literally says the internship has to follow this guideline: "The employer that provides the training derives NO immediate advantage from the activities of the trainees and, on occasion, the employer’s operations are actually impeded." That's right, in order for an unpaid internship to be legal, the intern must not contribute to the company, but RECEIVE from the company the service of EDUCATION and EXPERIENCE at the company's own expense.



Posting on CraigsList seeking a student intern and describing in that post the various tasks that will be involved in that position, means you are in violation of the law. Any company that can't afford to support a student with 10 bucks an hour obviously isn't a respectable place.



STUDENTS, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS! You have to be paid at least minimum wage; it's the law.



Flag all unpaid internship posts!

Monday, December 7, 2009

Artist Strike (NYC)

Artists, Illustrators, Photogs, Graphic designers...

I'm posting this to pledge allegiance with all of you. Do not work for free - and more - avoid working for exaggerated low rates or so called internships. If you are a student, there should be more than enough resources at your school to present internship possibilities.

If you have an interest in a project that can't pay you right away - suggest to the poster that you may be interested in signing on as an equity partner. Meaning you are going into a business arrangement with them that can benefit you somewhere down the line.

If you are really itching to get some new work out there, try a collaboration with some other creative working in a complimentary form - graphics people need photographers, illustrators need zine or small press publishers, etc...

So often I see posters asking for interns, and then go on to offer a JOB description in the body of the post. Legally an internship is supposed to benefit the intern in her or his area of interest. For the business owner, this creates a highly qualified candidate for their particular business. That's the way it was done for hundred of years, and it works.

Contrary to popular belief, art, expression, and creativity are extremely important. This people that belittle your work with comments like: " if you are good with ( insert medium here ), it shouldn't take much time!" Are fucking dreamers, to be frank. If their business is legit and really going places, paying for distinctive quality work will not be a problem, trust.

Best of luck to you all, and hello to the other art and craftspeople posting below me!

Thursday, December 3, 2009

ARTISTS! DONT WORK FOR FREE!!!! (everywhere)

Date: 2009-12-03, 12:09PM EST
Reply to: gigs-guknb-1493106976@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

ok I got it!!! its a recession.
but why wok for free!!! or even anywhere near it!!!!
these jokers are making it really hard to get a decent gig. whats even worse is they are forcing us
to play this crab in a barrel game. We are just keeping each other down and unpaid.
everyone must realize !!! IF WE DEMAND MORE WE'LL GET MORE!!!! THATS IT THE END!!!
FLAG EVERY SINGLE CHEAPSKATE THAT WANTS SOMETHING FOR NOTHING
if your crappy product line or event is so exclusive!!! pay some exclusive money to the photographer that made your
crap look HOT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
and dont be fooled , 9 out of 10 of these EXCLUSIVE/HIGH END jobs are bogus. and wont do much if anything for your book.
so don't think they're doing you a favor if you're a newbie

I don't know about you, but I paid an assload of money for my camera gear. Nobody is getting any freebies.
how about you??? FLAG EM!! FLAG EM!! FLAG EM!! FLAG EM!! FLAG EM!! FLAG EM!!

Tuesday, December 1, 2009

Re: Definition of an Intern (USA)

Date: 2009-12-01, 1:33PM EST
Reply to: gigs-u7km8-1490032458@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Your definition is close, but the Fair Labor Standards Act actually sets up much more specific criteria for it.

The training, even though it includes actual operation of the facilities of the employer, is similar to that which would be given in a vocational school;
The training is for the benefit of the trainees or students;
The trainees or students do not displace regular employees, but work under close supervision;
The employer that provides the training receives no immediate advantage from the activities of the trainees or students and, on occasion, his operations may even be impeded;
The trainees or students are not necessarily entitled to a job at the conclusion of the training period; and
The employer and the trainees or students understand that the trainees or students are not entitled to wages for the time spent in training.

So, those internships that ask the intern editor to already be a Final Cut Wizard are jerks looking for free work. So, stick up for your rights! Flag them! And if you've already worked for one of these guys, and not received any training, you CAN report them. What they are doing is ILLEGAL!