Monday, January 19, 2009

A Spec Work Business Model

Upsetting that we can't do this with healthcare in the US—allow several dozen young practitioners try to cure our disease, and if one works—we'll pay that one doctor!

Saturday, January 17, 2009

re: 6 - 8 illustrations needed - $ -

(found on NY Craigslist today)

6 - 8 illustrations needed - $ (SoHo)

Reply to: [?]
Date: 2009-01-17, 2:31PM EST

Need 6 to 8 illustrations done specific to my real estate company. will be part of brochures distributed to wealthy clients. I have fairly concrete ideas of what i want the illustrations to look like. will pay $400 total for all illustrations. Please send some examples of your work illustrating people (hopely fashionable) and buildings or interiors or architecture if you have them

it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
Compensation: $400 for 6 - 8 illustrations

re: 6 - 8 illustrations needed - $ -

Reply to: see below
Date: 2009-01-17, 2:56PM EST

Architectural/ real estate illustration usually cost $2000,$3000 per illustration (or even higher). And each illustration will take days to be perfectly finished.

If your client is a very wealthy/high-end person and you want to put those illustration in the brochures, that's what you should pay the illustrator!!!!

Architectural illustrator is very complicated because you can't just ask the illustrator to draw the imagination. Your client will look at that illustration and ask you to complete the exact same thing. Can you afford to upset your so-called very wealthy client?

$800 for 8 illustrations means $100/ illustration. If you need someone to do crappy jobs and few scratchy pencil sketch ( oh, and black and white), then here you go!!

re: re: re: 6 - 8 illustrations needed

Reply to: [?]
Date: 2009-01-17, 7:16PM EST

Come on guys, cut this moron some slack. He is in real estate, and probably living on the street by now. He's used to getting shafted, he's only passing along what he knows.

re: re: re: re: re: whatever

Reply to: see below
Date: 2009-01-17, 8:49PM EST

"If I can use a lo/no paying gig for experience, making a connection, or any of the other hundred reasons to work besides pay, I'll do it"

Very foolish. Take it from me, a successful freelance artist... when you work for no pay, your client doesn't respect you or your work.

As far as making a connection... if you connect with cheap people, you will be working a long time for cheap people.

As far as working for "experience" when I was starting out, I took ads that I didn't like and redesigned them. Even did new headlines. Then I showed the "before" and my after. I got hired with my portfolio showing major accounts the way I would do them and it worked.

Try that for experience.

Monday, January 12, 2009


(This particular entry has a long list of Re's....)

Re: UNVOGUE Magazine seeking photographers - (Come on guys!)
Reply to: [?]
Date: 2009-01-12, 4:08PM EST

Come on guys, what are you getting all frazzled about? These guys are on the cutting edge... We're all heading to the barter system as far as the economy goes... Hell, I'll do it for a sack of red beans and rice (25 pounds min.)

Re: UNVOGUE Magazine seeking photographers (Well...)
Reply to: [?]
Date: 2009-01-12, 3:01PM EST

In all honesty, I can understand photographers getting offended by being asked to provide their equipment and skill just for the pleasure of having a photo published in UNVOGUE (?!?). It's a real problem that people put "no pay" in a place where people are looking to find paying work, especially in such an expensive enterprise as photography. It shouldn't even be an option, frankly.

To the UNVOGUE people: You get what you pay for. If you are willing to pay nothing, you probably should understand that you're not going to get a level of quality that you want representing your magazine. I am pretty sure folks would agree that if a magazine had a poor quality photograph on its cover, they're not as likely to take it seriously, and even less likely to purchase the magazine. Good luck, as you say.

RE RE RE UNVOGUE (magazines suck.)
Reply to: [?]
Date: 2009-01-12, 2:49PM EST

Hey hey, now guys, c'mon. There is no need to whine about non paying mag gigs. Us pro photographers all know that magazines think we all become superstars after getting published for credit only...when in fact I don't even know half the people who shot for the REAL Vogue 10 years ago.

Don't shoot for mags who don't pay at all. It's bad enough that some only pay $150/shoot. I've never shot for a mag and nevertheless make decent living. With patience and hard work you can do the same.

Re: UNVOGUE (Yeah right)
Reply to: see below
Date: 2009-01-12, 1:38PM EST

Wow, what a deal. I hope the high school kid with his point and shoot that's willing to do this for you meets your needs...

UNVOGUE Magazine Seeking Photographers (Lower East Side)
Reply to: [?]
Date: 2009-01-12, 1:09PM EST

We are seeking photographers to shoot for our upcoming issue. We are looking to shoot as early as January 15, 2009. Photographer will need to work closely with editor-in-chief on model selection,story boards and must be able to meet the January 25, 2009 submission deadline . This is strictly for magazine credit. Good luck.

Team UNV

Saturday, January 10, 2009

re: Dear CL Posters, (Greenwich Village)

(I found this today, but the original was already flagged and removed. I'm not sure I agree with much of anything below (some of it is pretty negative), but I thought it a good rant about what we discuss here.)

Reply to: [?]
Date: 2009-01-10, 7:28PM EST

To all the people (especially this tool) that believe the ONLY reason to take a photograph is for cash, you are truly pathetic.
You are missing out on so much.
Along with being pathetic, you piss me off because you give photographers a much worse name than some band that is looking for cheap/free pictures.
True, there are people here that are trying to take advantage but, isin't one man's trash another's treasure?
Listen and listen well, you will either need to fix your whiny, poor me attitudes, or, you can get flushed away with the rest of the complainers in the months ahead.
The funny thing is, every single time someone responds to one of my posts like this, their "work" is laughable garbage, I literally show my whole studio your "work" and we honestly laugh.
Spend more time honing your craft and less time dipping into the Kleenex box.
This is New York, we work our asses off to get where we are.