Tuesday, December 22, 2009

unpaid internships are illegal (bk)

Date: 2009-12-22, 8:17PM EST
Reply to: gigs-2sf8a-1521909292@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

I will personally flag any and all companies seeking unpaid interns. According to the 1947 Supreme Court case of Cohen and Wolf, if a student does any work that benefits an employer (i.e. delivering mail, organizing files, making appointments, writing reports, NORMAL INTERNSHIP ACTIVITIES) they must be paid at least minimum wage or the employer is in violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act.

This act literally says the internship has to follow this guideline: "The employer that provides the training derives NO immediate advantage from the activities of the trainees and, on occasion, the employer’s operations are actually impeded." That's right, in order for an unpaid internship to be legal, the intern must not contribute to the company, but RECEIVE from the company the service of EDUCATION and EXPERIENCE at the company's own expense.

Posting on CraigsList seeking a student intern and describing in that post the various tasks that will be involved in that position, means you are in violation of the law. Any company that can't afford to support a student with 10 bucks an hour obviously isn't a respectable place.

STUDENTS, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS! You have to be paid at least minimum wage; it's the law.

Flag all unpaid internship posts!

Monday, December 7, 2009

Artist Strike (NYC)

Artists, Illustrators, Photogs, Graphic designers...

I'm posting this to pledge allegiance with all of you. Do not work for free - and more - avoid working for exaggerated low rates or so called internships. If you are a student, there should be more than enough resources at your school to present internship possibilities.

If you have an interest in a project that can't pay you right away - suggest to the poster that you may be interested in signing on as an equity partner. Meaning you are going into a business arrangement with them that can benefit you somewhere down the line.

If you are really itching to get some new work out there, try a collaboration with some other creative working in a complimentary form - graphics people need photographers, illustrators need zine or small press publishers, etc...

So often I see posters asking for interns, and then go on to offer a JOB description in the body of the post. Legally an internship is supposed to benefit the intern in her or his area of interest. For the business owner, this creates a highly qualified candidate for their particular business. That's the way it was done for hundred of years, and it works.

Contrary to popular belief, art, expression, and creativity are extremely important. This people that belittle your work with comments like: " if you are good with ( insert medium here ), it shouldn't take much time!" Are fucking dreamers, to be frank. If their business is legit and really going places, paying for distinctive quality work will not be a problem, trust.

Best of luck to you all, and hello to the other art and craftspeople posting below me!

Thursday, December 3, 2009

ARTISTS! DONT WORK FOR FREE!!!! (everywhere)

Date: 2009-12-03, 12:09PM EST
Reply to: gigs-guknb-1493106976@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

ok I got it!!! its a recession.
but why wok for free!!! or even anywhere near it!!!!
these jokers are making it really hard to get a decent gig. whats even worse is they are forcing us
to play this crab in a barrel game. We are just keeping each other down and unpaid.
everyone must realize !!! IF WE DEMAND MORE WE'LL GET MORE!!!! THATS IT THE END!!!
if your crappy product line or event is so exclusive!!! pay some exclusive money to the photographer that made your
crap look HOT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
and dont be fooled , 9 out of 10 of these EXCLUSIVE/HIGH END jobs are bogus. and wont do much if anything for your book.
so don't think they're doing you a favor if you're a newbie

I don't know about you, but I paid an assload of money for my camera gear. Nobody is getting any freebies.
how about you??? FLAG EM!! FLAG EM!! FLAG EM!! FLAG EM!! FLAG EM!! FLAG EM!!

Tuesday, December 1, 2009

Re: Definition of an Intern (USA)

Date: 2009-12-01, 1:33PM EST
Reply to: gigs-u7km8-1490032458@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Your definition is close, but the Fair Labor Standards Act actually sets up much more specific criteria for it.

The training, even though it includes actual operation of the facilities of the employer, is similar to that which would be given in a vocational school;
The training is for the benefit of the trainees or students;
The trainees or students do not displace regular employees, but work under close supervision;
The employer that provides the training receives no immediate advantage from the activities of the trainees or students and, on occasion, his operations may even be impeded;
The trainees or students are not necessarily entitled to a job at the conclusion of the training period; and
The employer and the trainees or students understand that the trainees or students are not entitled to wages for the time spent in training.

So, those internships that ask the intern editor to already be a Final Cut Wizard are jerks looking for free work. So, stick up for your rights! Flag them! And if you've already worked for one of these guys, and not received any training, you CAN report them. What they are doing is ILLEGAL!

Monday, November 30, 2009


Date: 2009-11-30, 4:59PM EST
Reply to: gigs-2ppbc-1488737259@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

The posting below is a joke!
In New York, the intense expense for printing up large images and framing them is overwhelming.
Any photographer or artist who shells out the money for this will understand that financial hurt real quick!
It also takes a real fool, not to know that there is less than a 1% chance of anyone at a gallery showing, actually hiring a photographer for anything.
That's just not the way the industry works!
People don't look at fanciful, artistic photographs at an art showing, then turn around and hire you to do fashion, weddings, product photography or other wise.
Hoping for a chance of that is incredibly unrealistic.
Promising photographers "Industry Exposure" in exchange for the expense and effort they endure to put a showing together is simply absurd.
The only individual(s) to benefit from such a crack-pot situation is the "venue".
If you're a young photographer starting out, do yourself a favor and ignore this idiotic type of posting!

We are looking for show your work throughout December.
We want your edgy artistic stuff to show alongside live music and catwalk runway shows.

Send us your weblinks for immediate consideration.

* Location: Manhattan
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

Location: Manhattan
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
Compensation: no pay
PostingID: 1488737259

Monday, November 23, 2009

Re: Upstart Celebrity blah blah blah (NYC)

Date: 2009-11-22, 3:00PM EST
Reply to: gigs-h4hyp-1477654448@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Why do people think just because they put INTERN in the posting, they should get free help? Can someone please answer this for me? I am going to create a posting that says dress maker intern... so I can get free clothes. and the intern has to provide all material, and their own sewing machine. and they also have to travel to me to fit me... all in the name of experience. That sounds good right?

I am not even a graphic designer or any other profession that commonly gets abused and used... but it still seems unconscionable to me.

Sunday, November 15, 2009



Date: 2009-11-14, 1:59PM EST
Reply to: gigs-zsk8u-1465914676@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Seeking restarant to supply free meals for awsome designer!!
No Pay involved but it will be Great exposure as I will tell everyone how deliciuos your food is!!!!
PLUS, you will get credit on a poster I designed just for you!!!!
Please`send samples of your food so we can pick the best one!!!!!


Date: 2009-11-13, 11:37AM EST
Reply to: gigs-cn8yq-1464228685@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Our restaurant company (2 locations) is going through a re-concept and we're looking for a designer to give our brand a new look. Not talking about interior design, more signage/logo/brand identity etc... Can't pay much but this is a hugely visible way to develop something for a budding portfolio. Looking forward to reveiwing your work and talking! Send a link to samples to us and we'll be in touch.

* Location: Manhattan
* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
* Compensation: not much but good opportunity for portfolio. also lots of free food

Location: Uranus
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
Compensation: bend over

Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Re: Need An Indesign Expert To Layout Our Catalog For Print (Midtown East)

Date: 2009-10-12, 2:16PM EDT
Reply to: gigs-3tyzx-1418076570@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

This is such an insult to any designer at all. Please, I appeal to all designers: DO NOT TAKE THIS JOB.

They are paying $3.75 per page for design. And you know these are always the clients that even make work harder and more challenging.


We are a female clothing company. We have the TIF pictures from our fashion photo shoot. We need some to do the layout for our catalog so we can print it out. The catalog will be 40 pages. The pay for the catalog layout is $150. We need someone with NICE European SCENARY BACKGROUNDS TO LAYOUT THE CATALOG.

Please email us with your previous work samples and Phone number.

* it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
* Compensation: $150 for the catalog

Tuesday, June 2, 2009


(found today in New York, 6/2)

Reply to:gigs-nypv4-1202255825@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Date: 2009-06-02, 6:45PM EDT

Don't work for Bachrach Menswear - they're going bankrupt and have resorted to finding struggling photographers on Craigslist who jump at the chance to work with them, hassle them until they either quit or get fired before they get paid - then serve up bankruptcy papers instead of sending a check 

Wednesday, April 15, 2009


Reply to: gigs-tfmrm-1123708908@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

Date: 2009-04-15, 1:37PM EDT

Really? You are going to have designers "compete" for $20?!? You think you know how long it takes to create an album cover? I suggest you do it yourself and stop wasting other people's time. What exactly would you do for $20, much less the possibility for $20? I doubt it would be too much. Learn what business is about and then post again. 
Original post 

I am looking for someone to make an album cover for a band. 

Pay is $20 via Paypal. No money/check option. 

This shouldn't take any graphic designer more than an hour to do. 

I give you the band name and album name, you do everything else. 
Must look hip and cool and professional. 

I expect to be getting mulitple responses and will let people design it. We will be "buying" three different designs from three different designers to give the band an option. 

We only pay for the versions we want , which are then un-watermarked. Thanks. 

  • Location: (reality)
  • it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
  • Compensation: no pay
PostingID: 1123708908

Friday, April 3, 2009

Freelance Graphic Designer (NY)

(found in NY Gigs)
Reply to: gigs-s7xxa-1104852084@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
Date: 2009-04-03, 2:55AM EDT

Take the "Free" out of Freelance.

Stop working for "portfolio pieces" and stop accepting next to nothing offers.

Buy yourself a copy of the Graphic Artists Guild Handbook: Pricing & Ethical Guidelines, and realize that logos do not cost $50. and websites do not cost $100.

Location: NY
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
Compensation: no pay

Friday, March 20, 2009

Graphic Designer for Identity (NYC)

Reply to: gigs-txtd4-1083006428@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
Date: 2009-03-19, 9:41PM EDT


I for one am tired of the onslaught of insulting posts and even worse, the people who don't pay or try to rip you off once you have done your work.

I have created a network that helps inform others of people who may be doing things of this nature.

If you want to put a stop to this, or at least a dent in this nonsense and create a sense of growing awareness of who the culprits are, I ask that you join the site, anonymity is completely up to you, and you post your findings. This is not a request, simply letting others know that there is an avenue which we can take to voice information and not have our information shot down, while flagging theirs.

Thanks again to all who have already signed up.

Tuesday, March 17, 2009

RE: Retoucher needed for book project ((West Village))

Found this call to arms/posts today on CL:

Reply to: gigs-ttrdg-1077892716@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
Date: 2009-03-16, 4:49PM EDT

Woww, that's a beatiful copy-writing.... so many powerful words just to end it up saying:
WORK FOR US FOR FREE , I wonder if you guys pay the rent with those beautiful poem.

Digital artists united, no work for free, no work for cents, no full time jobs with internships outfits,
expose the tricky scammers and abusers.

Let's begin to create a blacklist of tricky scammers/abusers:
Ian Mazursky from prepressexpress.com --- Abuser (create fake ability tests to get work for free from applicants)
Georgelias -- Astoria Queens - Abuser --- Hire for Graphic Arts training's and later after claims didn't learn or that was not what he was looking for and deny to pay.

Please colleagues let's get United, post your bad experiences, post your black list.

Monday, March 2, 2009

Re: Students looking for work (sounds like a rapist)

Reply to: see below
Date: 2009-03-02, 8:25AM EST

Please tell me noone will respond to the post below. Everything about this screams perversion on a cold night. Rent a movie you freak, or do things the old fashioned way, and actually find a date. Craigslist isn't girl's gone wild and you're looking for some college female to satisfy your fantasy interning tonight? YOU ARE A LAME AND A LOSER, GET A LIFE...

Here is the original post from this pervert------

This position is ideal for students. I am looking for an intern to work with me tonight in my office. Please be a female, organized, respectful. The pay is $30 hour. Send pic and brief bio is interested. I am located of the A/D train in Manhattan
If interested respond asap...

Friday, February 27, 2009

RE:artistswanted.org interns needed- marketing/social networking wiz (screwaninterntown)

(I'll be going straight to Google for FLSA standards after posting this. Found just now in Creative Gigs)

Reply to: gigs-1053259791@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
Date: 2009-02-27, 4:11PM EST

NO, the duties of this job are not an "intern" position"
More bottom feeders trying to get labor for free under the guise of "intern"

The U.S. Dept. of Labor utilizes the below listed criteria, as created by the U.S. Supreme Court
(Walling v. Portland Terminal Co. (1947) 330 U.S. 148), to determine whether a person is really
an intern, or whether they are an employee who must be paid and treated according to the
Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA):

1. The training is similar to that which would be given in a vocational school;
2. The training is for the benefit of the trainee;
3. The trainees do not displace regular employees, and work under close observation;
4. The employer that provides the training derives no immediate advantage from the
activities of the trainees and on occasion the employer’s operations may actually be impeded;

Wednesday, February 18, 2009

A found post, "How to Spot a Scam"

Original Blog Post courtesy of:

How to Spot a Scam
Does someone want to send you a check/money order for more than your asking price?

Does a total stranger want you to wire them the "extra" money via Western Union or Money Gram?

Does the language, word choices, or poor grammar in received emails seem off?

Does the buyer insist upon using "their shipping agent"?

Does the rent of an apartment seem extremely low?

Does a landlord want to rent to you sight unseen while claiming to live in another country?

If the answer is yes to any of these, then you are most likely being targeted for a scam.
Thursday, January 8, 2009
Joe Ciminera - Taste This Production Scam?
A while back we featured a business called Taste This Production, Inc. The owner Joe Ciminera claims to be in the reality cooking show business, and wants to make you a star. The problem is that once you respond and fly to New York (on your own dime) you get to shoot in a garage, and get charged an absurd amount of money. Here is another email we received:

On 1/8/09 a CL user wrote:

My boyfirend is looking in to a cooking show in New York. The company is called Taste This TV its on 2005 Merrick Road. Anyway they sent him a e-mail stating- "Taste This Production, Inc will produce a 26:00 minute pilot. The initial pilot will take approximately 5 hours to film. The show(s) will be shot on Sony Z1U cameras. The onset crew will consist of: Executive producer, Producer, Make-up artist, food stylist, sound and camera operator(s) and 2 film technicians. The show will be delivered, fully edited in no later than two weeks after the filming date. Upon approval of the pilot, the distribution company for cable will distribute the show for potential sale and deliver to cable broadcasters across the U.S. (name) will own all the rights to the pilot." Now the FUNNY part is this - "Cost: Your cost for the production of the pilot is $7,500. This cost is presented to you so that you will commit to the project 100%. "

I presented the proposal to my Entertainment Lawyer, who informed me that i needed to respectfully decline. Not a complete Scam, but paying that kind of money for no guaranteed air time, is unacceptable.

Thursday, February 5, 2009

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT! Need someone now, now, now! (SoHo)

Reply to: gigs-1022352320@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2009-02-05, 4:01PM EST

Photographer seeking Trade For Experience. I'll bring nothing to the table but my physical presence and willingness to accept free money; you bring said free money. Get invaluable experience paying another human being. Perfect resume builder or just plain awesome learning lesson. You can even make mention of it on your website pending my approval.

it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
Compensation: Yes, pay me.

Monday, January 19, 2009

A Spec Work Business Model

Upsetting that we can't do this with healthcare in the US—allow several dozen young practitioners try to cure our disease, and if one works—we'll pay that one doctor!


Saturday, January 17, 2009

re: 6 - 8 illustrations needed - $ -

(found on NY Craigslist today)

6 - 8 illustrations needed - $ (SoHo)

Reply to: gigs-996706814@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2009-01-17, 2:31PM EST

Need 6 to 8 illustrations done specific to my real estate company. will be part of brochures distributed to wealthy clients. I have fairly concrete ideas of what i want the illustrations to look like. will pay $400 total for all illustrations. Please send some examples of your work illustrating people (hopely fashionable) and buildings or interiors or architecture if you have them

it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
Compensation: $400 for 6 - 8 illustrations

re: 6 - 8 illustrations needed - $ -

Reply to: see below
Date: 2009-01-17, 2:56PM EST

Architectural/ real estate illustration usually cost $2000,$3000 per illustration (or even higher). And each illustration will take days to be perfectly finished.

If your client is a very wealthy/high-end person and you want to put those illustration in the brochures, that's what you should pay the illustrator!!!!

Architectural illustrator is very complicated because you can't just ask the illustrator to draw the imagination. Your client will look at that illustration and ask you to complete the exact same thing. Can you afford to upset your so-called very wealthy client?

$800 for 8 illustrations means $100/ illustration. If you need someone to do crappy jobs and few scratchy pencil sketch ( oh, and black and white), then here you go!!

re: re: re: 6 - 8 illustrations needed

Reply to: gigs-997054761@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2009-01-17, 7:16PM EST

Come on guys, cut this moron some slack. He is in real estate, and probably living on the street by now. He's used to getting shafted, he's only passing along what he knows.

re: re: re: re: re: whatever

Reply to: see below
Date: 2009-01-17, 8:49PM EST

"If I can use a lo/no paying gig for experience, making a connection, or any of the other hundred reasons to work besides pay, I'll do it"

Very foolish. Take it from me, a successful freelance artist... when you work for no pay, your client doesn't respect you or your work.

As far as making a connection... if you connect with cheap people, you will be working a long time for cheap people.

As far as working for "experience" when I was starting out, I took ads that I didn't like and redesigned them. Even did new headlines. Then I showed the "before" and my after. I got hired with my portfolio showing major accounts the way I would do them and it worked.

Try that for experience.

Monday, January 12, 2009


(This particular entry has a long list of Re's....)

Re: UNVOGUE Magazine seeking photographers - (Come on guys!)
Reply to: gigs-990234560@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2009-01-12, 4:08PM EST

Come on guys, what are you getting all frazzled about? These guys are on the cutting edge... We're all heading to the barter system as far as the economy goes... Hell, I'll do it for a sack of red beans and rice (25 pounds min.)

Re: UNVOGUE Magazine seeking photographers (Well...)
Reply to: gigs-990125492@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2009-01-12, 3:01PM EST

In all honesty, I can understand photographers getting offended by being asked to provide their equipment and skill just for the pleasure of having a photo published in UNVOGUE (?!?). It's a real problem that people put "no pay" in a place where people are looking to find paying work, especially in such an expensive enterprise as photography. It shouldn't even be an option, frankly.

To the UNVOGUE people: You get what you pay for. If you are willing to pay nothing, you probably should understand that you're not going to get a level of quality that you want representing your magazine. I am pretty sure folks would agree that if a magazine had a poor quality photograph on its cover, they're not as likely to take it seriously, and even less likely to purchase the magazine. Good luck, as you say.

RE RE RE UNVOGUE (magazines suck.)
Reply to: gigs-990104382@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2009-01-12, 2:49PM EST

Hey hey, now guys, c'mon. There is no need to whine about non paying mag gigs. Us pro photographers all know that magazines think we all become superstars after getting published for credit only...when in fact I don't even know half the people who shot for the REAL Vogue 10 years ago.

Don't shoot for mags who don't pay at all. It's bad enough that some only pay $150/shoot. I've never shot for a mag and nevertheless make decent living. With patience and hard work you can do the same.

Re: UNVOGUE (Yeah right)
Reply to: see below
Date: 2009-01-12, 1:38PM EST

Wow, what a deal. I hope the high school kid with his point and shoot that's willing to do this for you meets your needs...

UNVOGUE Magazine Seeking Photographers (Lower East Side)
Reply to: youareanidiot@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2009-01-12, 1:09PM EST

We are seeking photographers to shoot for our upcoming issue. We are looking to shoot as early as January 15, 2009. Photographer will need to work closely with editor-in-chief on model selection,story boards and must be able to meet the January 25, 2009 submission deadline . This is strictly for magazine credit. Good luck.

Team UNV

Saturday, January 10, 2009

re: Dear CL Posters, (Greenwich Village)

(I found this today, but the original was already flagged and removed. I'm not sure I agree with much of anything below (some of it is pretty negative), but I thought it a good rant about what we discuss here.)

Reply to: gigs-988028266@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2009-01-10, 7:28PM EST

To all the people (especially this tool) that believe the ONLY reason to take a photograph is for cash, you are truly pathetic.
You are missing out on so much.
Along with being pathetic, you piss me off because you give photographers a much worse name than some band that is looking for cheap/free pictures.
True, there are people here that are trying to take advantage but, isin't one man's trash another's treasure?
Listen and listen well, you will either need to fix your whiny, poor me attitudes, or, you can get flushed away with the rest of the complainers in the months ahead.
The funny thing is, every single time someone responds to one of my posts like this, their "work" is laughable garbage, I literally show my whole studio your "work" and we honestly laugh.
Spend more time honing your craft and less time dipping into the Kleenex box.
This is New York, we work our asses off to get where we are.